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Joey Mure, Co-Founder of Wealth Without Wall Street, discusses his journey from the corporate world to achieving financial freedom through passive income. He shares insights on the limitations of traditional investment strategies like 401(k)s and the benefits of creating cash flow through alternative investments.
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Introduction to Financial Freedom Hacks
Joey Mure: We exist because we learned that there’s certain hacks along the way to getting the financial freedom that people need to know about putting money in a 401k. And then seeing that money just disappear because somebody tweeted something stupid across the world that had nothing to do with me. That was an uncertainty.
And it was just, it didn’t feel right. But I didn’t know the alternative.
Ben Fraser: For you it is all about income, passive income, cashflow. So you really set out on a journey to how do I go start to create cash flow that I can have coming in without me having to work harder to get more of it. And using my assets to produce cashflow or businesses or side hustles.
Joey Mure: We’ve got all this capital. We need to start creating passive income immediately.
Welcome to the Podcast
Ben Fraser: Welcome back to another episode of the Invest Like a Billionaire podcast. I am your host, Ben Fraser.
Meet Joey Mure and Wealth Without Wall Street
Ben Fraser: And today, very excited for this conversation with a good bud of mine, Joey Mure. He is one of the founders of Wealth Without Wall Street.
You’ve probably seen these guys around. They’re all over the internet. And the podcast world. And I’ve been around a long time helping passive investors really navigate the world of investing, creating cash flow, amazing educators, and putting on amazing events. I’ve been to some of these. If you’re not in their world or ecosystem, you got to.
So I think you’ll hear the reasons why once Joey starts talking. Super excited to have him on. We haven’t had him on before. Really knew we had to get him back on. They just wrote a new book and we’re gonna talk about that today.
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So Joey Thanks for coming on, man.
Joey Mure: And always a pleasure. This is being with my people and this is so good.
Ben Fraser: I love it. I know when we first got connected, we’re talking about some of the main things we’re talking about in our podcast education. And, it was so aligned. It was like, man, we’re basically saying the same thing, a few different ways.
And just since then, it’s been awesome, but love what you guys are doing. Wealth without Wall Street. A very powerful concept. A great education platform. You guys have built for those that maybe don’t know you and Russ or wealth without Wall Street. Give a little background for how you got into this world.
What are you really doing, in your education? What are you trying to help investors do? And to talk about the kind of journey and the story there.
Joey Mure: Great question.
Joey’s Journey to Financial Freedom
Joey Mure: And I’ll tell you, we exist because we learned that there’s certain hacks along the way to getting to financial freedom that people need to know about.
In fact, I was in the corporate grind in the mortgage business for 11 years. And I saw that corporate ladder before me, and it was something I was running hard after thinking that like retirement and the corporate ladder was the answer. And what I found is a higher active income did not equal freedom.
And it didn’t give me more of what I wanted my lifestyle to look like. And even second to that which, some people would say it’s even the primary deal, is I realized that I had abdicated one of the largest things and gifts that the Lord had given me. And that was my own stewardship of the assets that God was giving me.
Like the money in my life, I was passing on to other people and not really taking control of that function. That didn’t sit well with me. I, it always felt weird, right? Putting money in a 401k and then seeing that money just disappear because somebody tweeted something stupid across the world that had nothing to do with me.
That was an uncertainty and it was just, it didn’t feel right. And, but I didn’t know the alternative. Until like really these certain things came into my life and then I was like, okay, I’m compelled. Like I need to get this out. I need to get other people on board with this.
Ben Fraser: Yeah, I love that.
The Importance of Passive Income
Ben Fraser: And so for you it really is all about income, passive income, cash flow.
And so you really set out on a journey to how do I go start to create cash flow that I can have coming in without me having to work harder to get more of it, right? And using my assets to produce. Cashflow or businesses or side hustles. So talk about that kind of journey because like where you guys started to where you’re at now, it’s pretty incredible number one, but I also think it’s so cool.
You guys have forged this path in a lot of ways for people that are just like you, that is, they’re in the grind, the work in the W2, they’re making a lot of money, the tax man’s taking half of it or close to it. And they feel like they can’t get ahead because the lifestyle keeps inflating, family’s growing or whatever it is.
Inflation. Eating away the value of the dollar, talk about where you guys started and what was that process and journey and to get to where you’re at now?
Joey Mure: Yeah. And such a great observation is that there were a lot of people like me just thinking that financial success had to do with active income.
And, but what, if you really think about it. What do we really want more than anything? It’s time and it’s not just time. It’s the quality of that time, because if I like, if you pull out your calendar right now, as Ben and I are talking about this, you pull out that calendar and you look at it, the vast majority of your time is filled with someone else’s agenda for you.
Let that sink in for a second. I have to be somewhere at a certain time. Because I don’t own that time and the only way, and this is not a new idea by Russ and Joey at Wealth Without Wall Street. This is a Robert Kiyosaki method. This is a Ben Fraser method, right? If I have more passive income than I have monthly expenses, I can immediately dictate what goes on that calendar until that point. I am having to put things on that calendar that I don’t want to do.
Or don’t have the choice not to. And that’s a key takeaway that it hit me like a thunderbolt. One time I was taking my little three year old, she’s now nine at the time. She was 30. I was taking her to this pre K and she’s sitting in the backseat and she’s dad, you gonna pick me up today?
And I was like, I was thinking to myself, no, of course not. Like I’ve got to be at work. It’s. And I said, no, I’ve got to be at work today, this afternoon. She says, why do you have to work? And I said we have, I have to pay for this car. I have to pay for our house, I have to pay for the food that we eat.
She said we already have a car. We already have a house. These are the simple things she’s saying, but I don’t know about you, in the back of my head, I’m thinking, I just told my daughter, I have to go to work because I don’t have options. Like I don’t even have, I don’t have other cashflow coming in.
That’s my dollars working harder than me. And so I am an asset. Only me and my time are being traded for dollars. And immediately I went home and I was like, or actually what the office said for that, and I told Russ, I was like, dude, we’ve got all this capital. We need to start creating passive income immediately.
We have to get out of this rat race, the grind of not having options. Now, thankfully we love what we do being able to educate the world, but we want to have less and less of our time required of us to do it. And that’s what we’ve been able to do. Since 2020, we went from reporting to the world, 2, 500 a month in passive income between the two of us.
That’s two dudes reporting 2, 500 a month. I know that sounds pathetic. But it was like, let’s put it out there on French street and hold ourselves accountable to within two years after that, over 50, 000 a month in passive income, and that’s where the game changer occurred is when all those things started to click.
We’re like, man, there’s a process that we went through to get here. Now let’s start showing the world how to make that even faster. Because we learned the hard way. Let’s help them learn the easy way.
Ben Fraser: Yeah, no, I love that. I think so much of it is just, you don’t even know it’s an option, right?
Cause you’re taught by the system. This is the way you do it. You have to wait until you’re 62 and a half before you can even touch retirement. You’ve been saving up for 30 or 40 years and that’s just the way it is, everyone does that. But. In two years, you just said you went from 2, 500 a month to 50, 000 a month in passive cash flow, meaning that if you worked more or worked less, that number didn’t change a whole lot.
That’s crazy.
Joey Mure: And what we found is it’s not that hard to do if you know what steps to take. And that’s really, I know that you mentioned our book wealth without wall street, three steps to freedom through passive income.
The GPS Model for Financial Freedom
Joey Mure: It’s a bestseller on Amazon and we’re going to actually give people the opportunity to buy what they want on the show, but we break it down into a GPS model, right?
There’s three steps, GPS. And it’s not, it’s not an uncommon analogy. People use that quite a bit. Probably it’s probably a little played out to be honest but we went with it anyway, because if you have your goal, that’s your G. That leads to having a plan, that’s the P, and then to gaining support along the way is the S.
So GPS, goal, plan, support, if you literally hold up your Maps app on your phone right now, and I don’t know if you’ve ever done this, you’ve been in like in the middle of the desert, Or like in a place where there’s really terrible cell signal and you pull up that maps app and it can’t find you on the map.
It has ever happened to me.
Ben Fraser: Oh yeah. Yeah.
Joey Mure: You’re like, I don’t know about you. I’ve become so dependent on that thing. I’m like, I don’t even know where to go right now. This is ridiculous, but that’s like the person that has just been buying financial products and expecting to get to some sort of destination.
It literally, you haven’t even stopped to take inventory of where you’re at. So how can you possibly know what the next step is going to be to get to your end goal? So that goal plan, or excuse me, that goal portion of this, knowing where you’re at right now, knowing what you’re going to do when you’re financially free is the second part.
And so we help people to dream again, right? Like you need to figure out, man, who am I going to be when I’m financially free? What am I going to do and what am I going to have? What would it look like right now, if I pulled up that calendar and I was actively putting things on that calendar that I wanted to do, who would I be spending time with?
What would I be doing with my time that I’m not able to do today? And if you can get really clear on that then, and only then can you start to really organize your finances. Because let’s face it, somebody can tell you right now, Ben, man I really love what my 401k has been doing last year because it came in at 15%.
It was a great year for me. And you can say that’s awesome. What’s, what are you trying to accomplish with that? Eventually I’d like to be financially free, like in the next few years. That’s great, but how old are you? I’m 35. I got bad news for you, Ben.
Your 401k is going to be the worst place that you can put money if that’s your goal.
Wait a minute. You just, I just told you that earning 15 percent like this is a great place for me to put money, right? It’s a great place for money to be locked up until you’re 59 and a half. And if you want to be free in the next five years, I got news for you.
This place, it doesn’t matter what their rate of return is. The interim return has nothing to do with your ability to become free in the next five years. And the vast majority of people that come and work with our team at Welcome to Wall Street, they have this light bulb moment like, whoa, wait a minute, I’ve been looking at the wrong thing because I didn’t have a clear idea of where I’m at today and where I’m headed.
And now all of a sudden it’s become clear where I should be putting money.
Ben Fraser: I love that. I think there’s like multiple layers of this too, right? Because one is even knowing what the goal could be. Like you’re just saying, Hey, I actually don’t have to go the same path that everyone else is going.
I’ve been taught the only way is to wait until I’m in the latter part of my life before I can actually enjoy the money that I’ve worked so hard for. I see the same thing too. Once you see the options of things outside of wall street, like investing in real estate, investing in against a lot of short term rentals and a whole life banking policies and a lot of these cool things that you can create assets with, they’re not all created equal, right?
And I think so many people get hooked on, the big number, the big return, the IRR or the equity multiple. And that’s not bad, but you can’t live off of equity multiples, right? You can’t live off of IRR because mostly most of IRR and most deals comes at the very end of the deal if all the parameters were hit right and so I think you’re taking another level down of okay Yeah, here’s all the options that you have within the whole world outside of wall street, which is really exciting but there’s a whole other way to think about and understand, if your goal is to get financial freedom and to have time freedom.
The only way you do that is with actual cash flow in your bank account every month, right? And those are, those can be very different things. And it shifts the plan of action. So walk us through the kind of steps here. So goal plan support, how do you put us in a real world example for someone that’s in that boat of, maybe they’ve already, been looking at alternative investors, they made a few, but it wasn’t exactly what they expected or, it’s not producing that much passive income, and it’s it’s, I thought this was supposed to solve my problems, right?
Joey Mure: Yeah. Yeah. Great point. And I think if you, we’ve broken down what’s in that goal phase, just being very clear on who you are, where you’re at right now, where you want to be, and I think the plan then starts to be clear. Where am I currently putting money and is it getting any closer to or further away from financial freedom?
Common Financial Mistakes to Avoid
Joey Mure: You start thinking about the three big killers. I’ll just tell you these are the things we constantly see people doing. They stop doing once they get clear on their goal, qualified plans are a no, right? Putting money in those things is literally locking up your financial freedom in the future. It is keeping you away from that.
Second thing, paying off debts unnecessarily. Like I can tell you for sure. There’s plenty of people that are doctors that have gotten just inundated with debt to get to where they’re at. And then they look up and they say, man, I can’t do anything. Until I get this debt paid and they may be staring down 500, 000 in student loan debts.
And you know what they do? They make all this money and then they start taking every extra dollar and they put it towards paying off that debt. And they try to do it. Oh man, the next five years, the next 10 years, I’m just going to do everything I can to pound this debt. When in actuality, If I’ve had, I’ve heard this from multiple doctors, so this is not just Joey’s opinion.
If they had taken the extra dollars and just bought a single family rental property, I’m talking about not even the things that you guys have at your fingertips that are much better than this. I’m talking about just a plain Jane, single family residence. And they bought one every time that they had, 50, 000 available to buy that next property as a down payment, they would be so much closer to financial freedom at the end of the same timeframe.
So just, it’s hard to do over audio, but I’ll just do my best. Let’s say that your student loan balance is, let’s say that the payment on it is supposed to be a thousand dollars a month. Okay. I don’t know. Just using, just bear with me here. And you start to say, you know what, I’m going to pay 3, 000 a month or is that to just get it paid off as fast as possible.
So instead, this is the alternative. I’m going to say, take the extra 2, 000 and start putting it somewhere where you can then invest from. I’m going to rec, I’m going to recommend infinite banking because that’s what we did. And it’s by far, it’s what the banks have done at the highest of levels. It makes the most sense.
We can talk more about that if you want, but. That’s going to be the place I’m going to park it. As soon as I have enough cash in that place, I’m going to then leverage it into real estate of some sort, which we’ll get into in a second, as far as where you should invest, because it’s all dependent on you.
It’s not dependent on what Ben and I say. It’s all dependent on you and your investor DNA. But you start taking that cash flow and you create a new asset. Whatever that is, it starts creating cash flow at some point. It’s going to more than dwarf the thousand a month that your student loans monthly payments are at that minimum monthly payments, a thousand bucks, your cash flow from that, those other assets are going to dwarf that thousand dollars a month.
And so if you’re keeping score at passive income greater than monthly expenses, this is how it works. And let’s just say in 10 years I look up and I could have paid off the thousand a month, but I have no passive income. What is my financial freedom score at that point? I have zero passive income and I’ve lowered my debts by a thousand a month.
I’m still at 0 percent. I’m no closer in percentage to financial freedom. I just have a lesser expense, but if I’ve been able to create, let’s say 2, 000 a month, even just on the low end. A passive income, then I am that much closer to financial freedom. Let’s say my total debts are 10, 000.
I’m now 20 percent of the way to financial freedom because I started buying assets to create a cashflow instead of paying extra on that debt. So that’s a word salad. I probably just threw out, but just to help people to get their head around in, you got to don’t just pay off debt to pay off debt, be smart about it because you have a new way to keep score.
With this passive income greater than monthly expenses. And then the last cashflow killer I’ll just throw out is by giving up the compounding of all your cash by paying cash for everything. There’s a reason why the richest of the rich use leverage. And most everything that they do, right? Robert Kiyosaki talks about this regularly.
So I’m not out of line. He says I’m a billion dollars in debt, but there’s a reason he’s got that much debt is because he has that much more in assets that he’s been able to leverage to get those assets. I’m not saying go into debt unnecessarily. I’m not saying to be wild and crazy about it.
But then quit paying cash for everything because you’re losing the opportunity that those dollars could have earned. And so those are my top three cash flow killers. Once you get those clear, now you start saving a lot more than what you’re used to, and then you can move on to the next step of investing those dollars wisely.
Ben Fraser: Yeah, that’s so good. You said a few things there and we’ve talked about this in other conversations and webinars that we’ve done in the past, but it’s pretty simple. equation, right? It’s like the passive income is greater than the monthly expenses. And I remember, I’ve heard that so many times, but even hearing you break it down, one of the workshops you guys did last year, like it was, it’s so powerful because it is so simple that I think we try to overcomplicate it.
We’re no, it’s got to be more than that. It’s got to be, but no, it’s as simple as if you have passive income that exceeds your monthly expenses, you have time, freedom, you have financial freedom. And so I think we try to overcomplicate it. And some of the things you just said are probably some pretty big, trigger words for Dave Ramsey fans, or people that have drank the Dave Ramsey Kool Aid, what is it? Don’t pay off all your debt and actually take out more good debt. To leverage passive income, Just on that point for a minute because I know especially with doctors, there’s all these blogs and forums and things people take both sides of that conversation and it’s probably worth a whole podcast to talk through and look at it.
But is there a point where it is a blanket statement? You think that’s what everyone should be doing or there has to be a certain level of education of understanding what you’re doing? Before you say it’s probably a good idea or, because I was also arguing to a lot of people that are making a lot of money.
They have no idea what their monthly expenses are. And they probably should do leverage a little bit, but your point is assuming that you’re making good financial decisions and you’re getting a good spot, that extra thousand or 2, 000 a month can go so much further. Then paying down a loan that is probably pretty low interest rate can be deferred for a very indefinite long period of time, and There’s lots of things you can do to maximize your journey that and then to the last point you made at the end of the day, you now have passive cash flow that can pay for that entire minimum loan amount.
The Power of Compounding and Leveraging Debt
Ben Fraser: And what I’ve seen, in the investing world, it’s this kind of a cliche thing, but the power of compounding cannot be underestimated, right? Because I would assume that for you and Russ to get to 2, 500 a month in passive cash flow, you’re going from zero to one is actually pretty hard.
Sometimes I just get that first kind of momentum that snowball started, but I can’t imagine it was that much harder to go from 25 to 50. Because now you have the road map. Now you had, you knew what it took and you just repeated the plan over and over and over again. And, to get to that point, getting the snowball rolling and building on itself because you’re compounding it is actually a much more powerful concept than.
Then just paying down debt reduces your cash outflows, but it’s not building an asset that actually produces cash flow on its own. A hundred percent.
Joey Mure: Yeah. And just to address another kind of commonly missed thing when it comes to debt, think about what options it gives you. Okay. If I’m taking, I just use that example of the minimum payments, a thousand a month that I’m paying 3000.
If I’m doing that consistently every single month, And I’m paying that down to the student loan company and a year goes by. That means I’ve put an extra 24, 000 towards that loan to pay it down faster. Correct? Let’s say at the end of that year, you’re like, man, I really could use 20 grand for filling in the blank.
Life happened. The AC went out to fill the blank. There’s a ton of things that could be 20, 000 and you go to that student loan company and say, Hey. I just need to get that extra 20, I paid you extra. Could you just wire me back 20 K? I’m, I’m a little light right this month that what’s the chief what are they going to say?
Like tough luck. You, he transferred ownership of those dollars to us, right? They’re no longer yours. Can I compare that to the doctor or whomever who’s paying that extra into an account that they own and control? Okay. So I’m, so let’s just say apples, I’m paid a thousand towards the student loan and I pay the extra 2000 into my infinite banking system. That again, I, that’s my recommendation.
And I went and I had the same issue. I can access this, that 20, 000 for whatever the purpose is that I need without having to interrupt that whole, that loan paid in. Or at the same time, I would have paid off the student loan by paying extra. I have that amount of cash sitting over here on the sideline.
I could choose to pay off the loan in full if I wanted to. If that was the wise decision at that time, I could look up in five years or 10 years, I could take all that excess capital. And pay it down on the loan and pay it off just as fast. But what does it do? It gives me options. Because let’s say, and you made a great point, and I want to make sure people are listening to this.
You’re, you have this kind of this thought process. I’m not an investor like you, Ben. I don’t know what to do with the money. So it just seems right to just pay off this debt first. And then figure out what to do after that. What we found is for the people that will invest in themselves by learning, like going through a coaching class, going through, joining a mastermind, getting we’re actually talking about the S part of the GPS, the support, getting around other people, becoming a better investor is a process.
It doesn’t happen overnight. So what if I was giving myself options the whole time by putting that excess money Into a place that I own and control and I can access at any time. And then I look up and let’s say it took me three years and I was making some small investments and maybe I’m, maybe I botched a couple of, I don’t know about you, you probably interviewed hundreds of people and I don’t know, I’ve done 500 plus episodes.
I’ve not heard one person who is super successful at anything that never messed up, but it never lost money in investing. They, we all have those stories. What if you invested in yourself over the course of three years and you made some mistakes along the way. And then you, as you pointed out, you hit it.
You got that first big win. And you’re like, I get it now. Cause then what happens from 2, 500 to 50, 000 a month is all it is just rinse and repeat. It’s stacking. We call it learn, build, stack. If you learn it first, then you build something, you might have to build it a couple times and then you start to stack it.
And then it just is a flywheel that continues to kick out that cash flow. It is worth the mistakes along the way. It’s worth the time investment. It’s worth getting in the right rooms. Like all those things. Make you the steward in the investor that you need to become, but you can’t do it without taking, there’s no shortcut to that.
Ben Fraser: Man dropping bombs, Joey. Talk a little bit. I love it. I love it. Said such a great teacher. These concepts we’ve all kind of heard in different ways, but to put it all together, like it’s so helpful, right? Because I think the financial education system in general, whether it’s conspiracy or not, they make things really complicated, right?
It makes it complicated where it feels like I can’t figure it out. This is beyond me. I’m just good at this one thing. I’m making money. So I’m just gonna let somebody else manage it for me. But, I say all the time it is like people work so hard. investing in their education in their career to grow their income to a certain point.
And then for whatever reason, they just hand the keys over to the kingdom to somebody else that someone else knows more than me. You’ve worked really hard to earn your dollars, but you haven’t worked at all to learn how your dollars can work for you. It’s like this really weird in balance from that.
But it’s the norm. It’s absolutely.
Joey Mure: And it’s the norm because again our show is called wealth without wall street, and we don’t like to just completely bash them all the time. But they’re geniuses, right? They do make it complex so that you will entrust your dollars to them for as long as possible.
And then they want to then inch it out to you over the last years of your life in retirement. But it’s all based on a couple of thoughts. One, you’re not smart enough to do it yourself. I’m an expert because I have some letters after my name. By the way, you should spend some time asking how they make money.
And how successful they are, because if it’s all based on the fees that they get from managing your dollars, they have no ability to create income or passive income from anything else. They don’t have what you want. Yep. That’s a real concern. And then the other thing that this is based off of the wall street mindset is scarcity.
It’s how much can I possibly live off of today so that I can put as much away for the future. So that when I get to that point in the future, I can live off as little as possible. So I don’t run out literally. If you I’m a simple minded guy, Ben, but I’ve had enough people. One time I was at the beach with my family, had my wealth without wall street, swim shirt on, I was looking super cool.
And this older lady comes up and she’s what’s that all about? And she’s talking about my shirt, the logo. I was like this is a company I have both at Wall Street and, we teach people how to create passive income and get to financial freedom. She says, Oh, she’s just retired recently and I just hope it’s enough.
That was her. That was her. This is at the beginning of her retirement journey. And what’s her first thought? I hope it’s enough. Yeah. There is no certainty. Yep. And what, and you, where do you think that leads to? That leads to living the max all of a sudden now I can live like no one else. No.
It leads to scarcity. We should take that trip because you know what that’s not really in the budget. And I don’t want to, if I do that, I wonder if that’s going to make it run out faster. Yeah. Yeah. Guys, like we got to wake up. This is not the plan that gives certainty. But if I look at my bank account, Okay.
And I start to see 10, 000 a month coming in from all these investments, 20, 000 a month, whatever your number needs to be. I actually have some certainty about that right now. Nothing is perfect, right? God’s the one in control and I don’t want to take anything away from that. Like we’re not trying to become gods or so at the end of the day, as a steward, I want to be as wise as I can to manage the money that God’s given me.
And I want to see that flowing in consistently from known operators, Who understand how this works and that’s going to give me. Like the ability to have the freedom with my time. So anyway, I can continue to rant on wall street all day. I know that’s not what you have time for but I’m just going off over here.
Final Thoughts and Resources
Ben Fraser: Love it Joey, this is so good man. Always fun to have you on the podcast and I think you guys put together a link Just for our listeners. Wealth without wall street. com forward slash invest like a billionaire We’ll put that in the show notes and I think you have a link for the new book there. I definitely encourage people, this is like ringing true with you that gets into their ecosystem.
They do amazing events. I’ve been through several of these workshops that Joey Raffs and his team lead and just really get down to the nitty gritty of what’s important. What do you have to look at? What is, how do you create a plan to get to where you want to be? And it’s just, it’s so powerful. Did I say the link right?
Is that the right link, Joey?
Joey Mure: Yeah. Just https://go.wealthwithoutwallstreet.com/investlikeabillionaire. And there’s even like our contact stuff. So hit me up. Always love to know where you heard us talking and always like to give back.
Ben Fraser: Awesome. Thanks so much. Joey. This is really fun, man.
Joey Mure: Yeah, likewise.
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