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Unique Alt Investing: Opportunity Zones, Venture Capital & More feat. Kelly Ann Winget

In this episode of the Invest Like A Billionaire podcast, join host Ben Fraser for an insightful discussion with Kelly Ann Winget, Founder of Alternative Wealth Partners. With a career dedicated to alternative investing, Kelly, a fifth-generation member of an oil family, provides insights from her diverse expertise in private equity, venture investing, and Opportunity Zones. She shares her experiences working with family offices and offers a unique perspective on everyday millionaires.

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Ben Fraser: Hello, Future Billionaires! Welcome back to another episode. Today, we’ve got a really fun guest. Her name is Kelly Ann Winget, and she’s a founder of Alternative Wealth Partners. And we had a really fun conversation. So she’s been in alternative investing for her whole career. She’s actually a fifth generation oil family and has done a lot of oil and gas.

We talk about oil and gas. What she’s seen right now in the market? And really, how do you identify bad actors and how do you avoid bad deals? But she’s also done a lot of other things in private equity and venture investing as well as opportunity zones. And so we just run the gamut of talking about different things where she’s seen opportunities, how she’s, putting these types of deals together, and really her experience in working with family offices earlier on in her career.

How they were investing and taking some of those approaches, to what she calls the everyday millionaires, folks that are not 100 million net worth, have enough capital to invest in these alternative assets. And so she’s raised over a billion dollars and, mostly all through retail investors, which is a pretty, pretty cool feat.

And just a lot of perspective. So I think you’ll enjoy this episode. And as always, when we bring someone on that is raising capital, I gotta give the caveat and disclaimer that you need to do your own due diligence. If you like her story, like what she’s doing, make sure you dig in and do the right due diligence and make sure it’s the right fit.

And if it’s something that you want to do and after digging in, because that is very important. We just bring people that we think have a cool story and and just. Curiously asked questions. So with that, I hope you enjoy this episode. If you are enjoying this podcast, we always love your feedback, love any reviews that you can give us or sharing with a friend and getting the word out there.

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And very excited to have this conversation. Kelly, give us a little bit of background of who you are and what you’re doing. 

Kelly Ann Winget: Thanks for having me on today, Ben. I come from a background of many things. So I am five generations in oil and gas. Both my parents were in financial services, either as accountants or CPAs.

So I’ve had a lot of access to Just money in general was always something we talked about at the table, which is unusual. But it gave me a launching pad to where I am today, which is in the alternative space where I’ve been for about 13 years. I used to help other companies raise capital.

In the early part of my career, I’ve raised almost a billion dollars in private capital, a hundred thousand dollars at a time. And really focused on the retail investor space. Before 2020, about 2018 to 2020, I was more in the family office. So I had a little bit of exposure to the institutional world.

And that’s what made me realize, you know what? I’m going to stay in my lane because I really like working with everyday millionaires, which is a silly phrase, but everyday millionaires provide a service. That they understand and appreciate. So in 2020, I launched my own private equity company to give access to alternatives to the everyday millionaire.

Ben Fraser: I love that. And so I think you just dropped the B word, billion. And you don’t look that much older than I am, you’re probably even younger than I am, and that’s a pretty impressive feat. I think when we talked before, you said, you started pretty young, so you’ve had the advantage of a long time doing that.

But, that’s an amazing feat. So kudos, number one. And we also syndicate and raise money from, 100, 000 checks at a time. I know how much work that is. And so I can’t imagine all that. The conversations you’ve had to get to that point, I’d love to hear from you because our whole angle on this podcast, invest like a billionaire, right?

It’s how we emulate what the ultra wealthy are doing for the everyday millionaire, right? How do we take the tactics, the strategies, the asset classes, the portfolio allocations that the ultra wealthy investors that have all the best deal flow, have all the best resources, all the smartest people in the room, managing their money.

How do we implement those things at a smaller level with our 2 million net worth or 10 million net worth or somewhere around there? And what did you see when you’re working with those family offices that you’ve seen and can give some insights to that might be beneficial to someone that’s not at a hundred million dollar net worth, has enough money that they can invest in these private alternatives.

And what are the things that you saw that made them successful and whether mindsets or strategies, etc. 

Kelly Ann Winget: Yeah, one of the things is that they are surrounded by people that are smarter than them which helps a lot, unless they have the wrong people, and so that’s what I realized is, I was working for a large group that had about 3 billion under management.

And I was brought in to work with the investors on their oil and gas stuff because they didn’t have anybody on their team with any oil and gas experience and almost a third of their portfolio invested there. From my perspective, I was like, it’s a little late trying to explain oil and gas to your investors when you’ve already put their money there.

It might look like someone knows more than you, but in reality, they might not. As an individual investor, it’s really important just to educate yourself on something you’re interested in investing in because it might turn out that the person who’s trying to sell you on an investment actually doesn’t know anything about it and which I’ve seen a lot in my career which is unfortunate for investors because they just really don’t know how to do the due diligence.

That’s changing. There’s definitely… A lot more access to information now than there was five or seven years ago. And that’s why I like the retail space. The difference also is that there’s way more people who can get involved in the type of institutional grade investments. You think that only ultra high net worth or family offices that have a billion dollars under management can get into these deals, but the reality is that if you’re looking in the right places, as long as you have the income of the net worth, which is the barrier is pretty low considering what money is today.

A 200, 000 income or a 1, 000, 000 net worth is not difficult to achieve today as it was five years ago. And all of those people qualified to participate in these risky ventures: private equity, oil and gas, real estate, any of these types of syndications or opportunities available to them.

Ben Fraser: Yeah, absolutely. And I would agree with you. The access to these types of investments has totally changed, past 10 years, but even the past five years as. A lot more sponsors are embracing the 506 C designation where you actually can publicly market and solicit and it’s becoming a lot more commonplace.

One of the things from our research that we’ve seen is that generally these ultra high net worth families, the big institutional investors, have pretty heavy allocations into alternatives, a lot of times upwards of 50 plus percent. Is that something that you saw through the families that you worked with or raised?

Kelly Ann Winget: If you look at any of the endowments, which is public information. These are university endowments. You can see that even the Yale endowment, which is one of the largest flipped from a 90 percent like back in the 80s, late 80s, early 90s, like 90 percent stocks and bonds.

to almost 90 percent in alternatives today. So there’s a huge shift. All of the big money is investing in these other things. Now, does everyone have a portion of their portfolio and something conservative like stocks, bonds and cash and stuff? Sure. The returns are coming from private equity. That’s where you are, that’s where your money is.

And that is an alternative, which includes things like real estate insurance. 

Ben Fraser:Yeah. And from your perspective, I think you and I are pretty aligned in this. So I’m asking the leading question, What do you love about alternatives, right? You’ve been in this space for your whole career.

You’ve seen, you’ve worked in a lot of different asset classes and types of investments and, what makes you passionate about, doing, being in this space that we are in? 

Kelly Ann Winget: I’m very much like an America First person. The fact that small business is the foundation of the United States and our economy is something that really gets me excited.

And it used to be that community banks and banks would help small businesses grow. And that changed decades ago, where you’re only going to get support from a bank if it’s attached to a mortgage. And even more so now and venture capital ruined that for everybody. But there’s no one out there That’s supporting businesses in a way that banks used to with one, the understanding that it takes time to, to scale and the flexibility in capital.

So the way that we invest in small businesses is usually through creative debt and equity structures. And there’s not a lot of people out there doing that now. There’s a little bit of shift because the private equity group is like doing private debt credit and stuff now. I think that they’re understanding.

But that’s probably the most exciting part about alternatives is that you can get creative with how you invest. And you can realistically invest however you want in whatever you want. Yeah, absolutely. 

Ben Fraser: I love that. You’ve been investing in a lot of different asset classes and obviously you come from a fifth generation oil family.

So I would be remiss if I didn’t ask you some about that because, if anyone’s been listening to this podcast for any length of time, we’re very bullish on fossil fuels right now and have several putting up with several funds around that, but talk a little bit about, Okay.

Your perspective on it, you’ve been, if you’ve been in the space for a long time and your family has, you’ve seen a lot of ups and downs, a lot of booms, a lot of busts, what’s your perspective just set up at a macro level of the oil and gas industry right now? Are you excited? Are you not excited?

Are you placing capital? Are you not placing capital? Talk about your perspective. 

Kelly Ann Winget: I am always excited about oil and gas. Always excited about oil and gas. I, the thing about oil is that it’s all about when you buy and now is an interesting time because you do have a high oil price.

But There’s still not a lot of demand or competition from the investor’s perspective. So you still can get pretty good prices on these assets. So you’re not overpaying like you were in 2013, 14, where oil prices were 130 last time, where people were paying obscene amounts of money for oil interests. And they literally, everyone lost their shirt, which is why oil and gas has such a bad reputation from the investor’s perspective, because all they can see is like what happened in 2014.

I don’t know. But since then, all of these, basically the industry, the private industry of oil and gas has become so efficient that they’re making money at 25, 30 a barrel, so everything else is gravy. If you can get a really good price on an oil asset at 75, 85 oil you’re making money then, the biggest risk in oil and gas is one of the dry holes, but mostly time.

How long is it going to take to get your money back or profit out of that property? And it’s truly a generation, there’s massive, much wealthier families than me made in oil and gas. But, my family’s assets down in Southern Louisiana have been paying royalty checks for 85 years.

That’s, and it’s still going. And those are the types of things that a retail investor can just buy. The government sees it as a piece of real estate and there’s a lot of tax incentives around it. And it’s really easy to transfer from one party to the next. If you’re talking about working interest or royalty, mineral rights.

It’s just a really great transfer of wealth and it holds for generations and, sometimes you’ll get a really big check when oil prices are high and sometimes you’ll get a little baby check when oil prices are low. And if you have the stomach for it, like it’s a great asset to have as a foundation in your portfolio, everything new.

Ben Fraser: Yeah. No, I agree. And it’s interesting, I haven’t been in this space as long as you have, from our conversations with people that have, they said that the industry as a whole, at least domestically here in the U S has taken a little bit more of a disciplined approach, where, we had, Yeah. 2013, 2014, big boom bust. And then even in 2020 when oil prices went negative for a day and the whole industry got flipped on its head. From what we’ve seen, a lot of these operators have been deleveraging, right? So there’s actually a lot less debt just on the balance sheets, so de-risking some of that.

And, we’re also seeing, this is not just purely driven by operators, but the capital markets have not been allocated as much to oil and gas ESG mandates they have to invest in. Green friendly type operators, fuel sources, et cetera, et cetera.

They mandated some of these policies and it really left this huge gap in the funding. So supply has been declining and not only that, the capital put into new producing wells and new drilling has dropped by, from our research, over 50 percent over the past seven years.

Operators are okay. We’re sitting in a nice little place with oil prices right now, we have good production, and it doesn’t seem to be as overheated as it has been in past times, so to your point, you can go and buy at a pretty good basis, get some pretty good cash flow, and if you’re buying, producing, what, producing assets, and, maybe get a drill on top of that or in the acres you have, you’re not a lot of times paying for that upside for the drilling, right?

And at least for the worse, you’re seeing a similar thing in some of the assets that you’re, 

Kelly Ann Winget: Yeah, and there’s definitely some interest on the buyer’s side of people that aren’t necessarily in the industry. So you have family offices looking and which has been really interesting because we sold a couple of our assets in one of our larger portfolios of West Texas.

Just because they were boring. So we took them out and took them to auction. We were expecting to make about a 1. 5 on the three different assets and ended up making 2. 66. Our friend in Colorado is selling plugging liability for wellheads. So that means that somebody is paying for the cost of having to shut that well in.

And I think the family offices are literally just looking for anything where there might or be oil or is oil. Or gas. There’s a big demand for gas too. When you have Warren Buffett buying all of the natural gas pipeline of the country, there’s usually a big flag there that says I wonder why.

I do brag that I bought Occidental a year and a half before he did. And so I’m enjoying my 360 percent return on my Occidental stock. There you go. 

Ben Fraser: There you go. So Buffett’s just following you, right? You’re the trendsetter here. 

Kelly Ann Winget: Exactly. The best thing to do when oil goes negative is to buy as much of it as possible.

Ben Fraser: Yeah. We’re still going to need it for a while. Yeah. You know what I’d be curious to hear from you too, because, there’s obviously a lot of interest, I think renewed interest in this asset class, especially as commercial real estate, which is. Another area that we invest a lot into, I know you do as well, it’s hard to find really good deals.

And so investors are looking to scan the landscape, where else can I find good returns? And so there’s a lot of interest. But the challenge is if you haven’t been in this space for a while, you maybe don’t know what to look for. And as we’ve gotten some conversations, even this year, we’ve talked with other operators, with our fund.

I’m shocked at what some of these folks can get away with. And, the amount of upselling that they’re doing on these, Current wells or the new drilling programs are doing. We’ve been doing it enough to have a decent sense of what’s standard or what’s to be expected, but.

How does someone, like, find a bad actor? Then, there’s literally, there’s a Ponzi scheme that just came out earlier this year. And it wasn’t directly in drilling, it was a carbon capture play, but it was, they had raised 250 million in equity for this deal. And it was a Ponzi.

It’s straight up, so I think part of the oil and gas rep is also the volatility, but it’s also, there’s. It seems to attract maybe more bad actors than other asset classes. I don’t know why. Maybe that’s just a misnomer. But how do you, how does an investor avoid those traps, right?

Kelly Ann Winget: It’s really hard on the carbon capture side of things in the renewable space because there’s not a lot of it’s a fairly new asset class, right? So you don’t have a lot of oversight or regulation that people are aware of. There’s still. The regulatory entities are still trying to figure out what it is in the first place, and so it’s hard for an investor to know more than the people that are out there supposed to be protecting them.

In the oil and gas space, it’s been around for the, since the beginning of time, so there’s no excuse for people to be taking advantage of it, but they are out there. A lot of times, these are people who have done it before. Really doing your due diligence on the management team is really important as a retail investor because a simple Google search can really save you a lot of time on the person who’s talking to you because the industry is really small and the downside to like the SEC and stuff is that They slap people on the wrist, they give them a fine, they make them a bad actor or whatever, but it doesn’t stop them from doing anything.

They do not go to jail. So they could raise hundreds of millions of dollars and they do not spend a single day in jail. They pay some million dollars in fees that go to the SEC, not the investors. And then they’re told, don’t do that again. And then they do it under a new name and under a new company.

Ben Fraser: You really think that’s a really important point because it’s crazy, right? I remember when I first got into the space, just the assumption that if someone got caught like doing a Ponzi scheme, they would be prevented from ever raising money ever again.

And in some cases that does happen, but in some cases, no, right? There’s a deal. I am an investor. That I worked for back in the day, an angel investor that got into gold mining, this was a long time ago. And, one of his partners comes out, he didn’t do all the due diligence, but comes out later on.

He was indicted for a Ponzi, and he ran a Ponzi before raising money for this deal, but he was still out doing it again, and he ended up finally going to jail. But I remember early on thinking like, how did that happen? But it’s something that’s really, to your point, it’s, you can find a lot of this stuff if you’re doing simple Google searches and just running background checks, always asking for background checks on people because one, that I wanted to share with you, that’s the red flag.

And two, it’s going to catch a lot of things, the latest parking ticket that they got. And it’s just, it’s going to give you a really good, just another data point that you need to have, especially in this space. 

Kelly Ann Winget: Yeah, if they, there’s a lot of third party like due diligence companies that will do a due diligence report on managers. A lot of fund managers that are offered through traditional broker dealers or advisory firms typically have that report.

They’re expensive, so that’s why you wouldn’t have like a smaller fund manager have one cause they’re tens of thousands of dollars and but if you as an individual investor have the time and resources, you could pay to have one done but really spend more time on who the manager is and then an oil and gas, if it doesn’t have a two or three year payout at 65 oil and they can’t clearly explain that to you, then you should, there’s probably way of her sponsor And it’s pretty common and also I know the documents are really long but there are companies out there that stick things in a two to 300 page PPM that say, I’m marking this up three, four X cause this is a turnkey investment and they’re literally because they’ve disclosed it doing a legal.

Ben Fraser: That’s what’s crazy cause that’s exactly what I’ve seen where, these. Operators going out to these conferences sell single, vertical well drill programs and they’re selling them for three, 3 million per vertical well. I’m like, I’m drilling these vertical wells, it does not cost that much.

That’s a three to four X, override that they’re charging, which one, they’re taking a ton of fees up front, which is not an alignment of interest. And two, they’re diluting the equity returns massively by doing that. So it’s definitely something you have to watch out for. 

Kelly Ann Winget: Alternatives are the wild west, right? There’s not an oversight committee. There’s not a lot of protections in place that you really do have to do your due diligence as an individual. But just know that. If it’s not disclosed, they are lying about it, and that’s wrong, right?

But if they typically disclose how much they’re paying themselves, what their markup is on the asset, all these things. You see it in real estate all the time, not so much anymore because people aren’t refinancing. But a lot of those companies were paying themselves a pretty big acquisition fee for finding the deal.

And that’s clearly written in the documents that you’re signing. So just make sure you’re signing the documents and reading them. 

Ben Fraser: Let’s shift gears a little bit because one of the other things I wanted to chat about, that you’ve been involved in for a while, is more the venture side of investing.

So investing in startups, investing in private equity. So talk a little bit about that. Where have you cut your teeth? What kind of things are you doing right now? Sure, so venture 

Kelly Ann Winget: capital, especially with women, has become really popular in the last two years. You have a big, Kim Kardashian has a private equity firm now, and Serena Williams has a venture capital firm now, and it’s got a lot of publicity, which has typically been reserved for like Silicon Valley.

But now angel investors are starting to be like, I want to get in on these companies before everybody else. And there is a lot of risk there. You’re talking about a company that could be at an idea on a napkin stage to maybe their first customer. And while we don’t invest that early, like a napkin idea, we do invest with companies that.

Might have a year or two of a business activity and, maybe they’re teeter tottering between, losing money and making money, but they need a little bit of a capital infusion that could really help them scale. And I don’t typically partner with venture capital because I have a difference.

Investment strategy, but I do work with a lot of venture capital firms on what companies they’re working on that get them to a point where private equity starts getting interested, growth capital and buyout, or if they’re going to go public or something. So it’s an interesting space.

I do think that people should if they’re interested in getting involved in venture capital too. Think about maybe investing in the companies that they are aware of in their community directly instead of through a venture capital fund, unless they’re specifically interested in tech or some sort of really niche investment thesis.

Ben Fraser: Interesting. Yeah. So what are some types of companies that you invest in? Do you have a certain verticals or types of businesses that you like more than others or across the board and related more at the stage of the company versus the type? 

Kelly Ann Winget: I like companies that make money, but I typically focus on who the person is behind the company more than necessarily the product because I believe that a founder is not a first, a one time and only founder.

I think that they can go on and create many businesses, especially if they’re creative and passionate enough. So I really look at the people. And whether or not that company is going to be successful, because if somebody is really passionate about what they’re building they would put their blood, sweat, tears, house, home, children into making that company a success.

And I want that kind of commitment to somebody that I’m going to hand, a six figure, seven figure check to. And we invest in everything from consumer goods to the startup space. And we’ve invested in a clothing company. We’ve invested in a fragrance company.

Dog food company and ammo company. So it’s like literally all over the place, but they’re all, at the core of it manufacturing. And that’s what I like manufacturing that has a tech piece to it and infrastructure deals. Those are my, that’s my jam. Very cool. 

Ben Fraser: And do you invest in those as kind of individual deals or do you do it through a fund or what’s your approach usually?

Kelly Ann Winget: Usually these people are trying to raise through SAFEs and the BC route, but there’s a lot of. Work that they’ve put in that makes them a little bit further ahead than something that a VC could get involved in Needs more assistance from somebody that has more mature company management and operation experience.

So that’s why we’re coming in that way as an only partner mainly because I don’t think that they should ever get capital from venture capital. It’s definitely a competition out there, but the deal flow is me taking out first round funding myself and then they might raise a series A or something afterwards.

Ben Fraser: One of the cool things we talked about before is opportunity zones and this is a unique angle because obviously. Investors, they don’t know about opportunities as a researcher from an investment standpoint, because it’s pretty cool what’s being allowed through the tax code to defer and ultimately eliminate taxes in certain real estate investing.

But you’re saying you can also invest in opportunity zones, not just in the real estate, but also in the businesses and get some of the same eligibility and potential benefits. So talk about that. I think you’ve done this. One of the deals you invested in and what that process was like, I think is a really cool strategy.

Kelly Ann Winget: Yeah Opportunity Zones have been around since 2017 and it was part of the Jobs Care Act and it used to have a holding period where if you held for five years, you got to step up in your basis, you held for seven, you got another and now we’ve gone past that point because there’s only two years left in In the ability to even invest in an opportunity zone fund.

So it ends December 31st, 2026. So if you’re not invested by then you’re, you can’t invest. It’s an opportunity for people to take capital gains and put it into an investment fund that invests in these particular parts that have been identified by the government as opportunity zones. And then any future appreciation of that capital gain is now tax free after 10 years.

And it’s an incentive to invest into the economy that needs investment. And this goes beyond just building multi-family or affordable housing or whatever. And our personal thesis on it is we’re building economies, we’re not building buildings. We’re focused on building what the community wants and needs there and can support and then upskilling the community and the businesses inside of the real estate so that they can always pay the increased rent from the value that we’re bringing into the economy.

Thank you. The fact that you can invest in the businesses is really powerful, especially when you’re talking about that appreciated growth being tax free. So when you have your 10 plus X return and venture in a tax free vehicle, then that’s what you want to do. Because if you can take a million dollar capital gain and turn it into five or 10 million dollars after 10 years, and it’s all tax free, that’s a return that I want.

Cause I’m all about tax elimination, not tax deferrals. I hate 1031 exchanges. Like it’s not, I don’t like depreciation in real estate cause you got to pay it back. There’s a lot of things that you know, things like oil and gas, the tax benefit oil and gas and the tax benefit in opportunity zones that mean no more taxes instead of deferred taxes.

Ben Fraser: Yeah. No, that’s super cool. Obviously the IRS, they’re allowing this, but they’re You know, if you do that, you get a 10 hours return, they might be like maybe we should have rethought that.

Kelly Ann Winget: It’s like, what is it? The billion dollar Roth or whatever it is. From the investment of Facebook.

Yeah. It’s going to be one of those. Oh. But it’ll be too late for them to do anything about it. That’s right. That’s right. The program will be over. 

Ben Fraser: One of the things I love that you shared before we chatted, Just a lot of people, like you said, are focused on, diversity and, women owned businesses for investing, but you’re also wanting to take an approach for LPs.

So for limited partners and having diversity in your limited partners, talk about what you mean by that and why is that a passion for you? 

Kelly Ann Winget: Sure. So a lot of people are focused on the pipeline of in like, where are the female founders? Where are the female BIPOC business owners? That side of the thing, of course, there’s those business owners, they’re everywhere.

And if you open your eyes, you can see them. But the issue is that you’re not creating the people who understand the products those people are making, right? If you have a black woman going into a room full of white men to explain menopause in the black community, that investor committee is going to be like, I don’t get it.

There’s no value in that. But if you have one single 50 year old black woman on that investment committee, she’s this is a billion dollar idea. It’s somebody that understands. And so my mission is to make other people wealthy, who are already wealthy, just don’t know that they can also invest in these generational and wealthy asset classes, energy, real estate, private equity.

These things are primarily invested in by white men, which is fine, except for like black people have money too. So I focus really on educating the other part of the community in what they have access to as accredited investors. And this year we were able to flip our investor base from 60 40 white men in their 50 60s to 60 percent female or BIPOC.

And that was really cool to see because… They were like, I’ve never heard of this. I never knew this existed. I thought this was for wealthy people. I thought this was for hedge funds, blah, blah, blah. And it’s no, you as a normal everyday millionaire have access to these wealth building tools.

And so if you can make someone else wealthy, then they can go and start making investments and companies that make sense to them. I love 

Ben Fraser: that. I am a white male, and better or worse, , I am on that side of it, but I also have four daughters. And so I’m thinking, I wanna, I want them to have all the access that, it’s easy for me, easier for me than for others.

But I love that you’re focusing on that and that’s a passion for you. I totally get behind that and champion that. Way to go . 

Kelly Ann Winget: We have privilege. You just have to use it. Absolutely. Be aware of it and use it for the betterment of the world. 

Ben Fraser: Love that.

What’s the best way for folks to get a hold of you if they want to check out more what you do and hear more about your story and follow along? 

Kelly Ann Winget: So if you want to know more about the private equity side of me, it’s alternative wealth partners. com. If you want to know more about what I do, read my book or whatever, you can visit https://www.kellyannwinget.com/

And if you’d like to interact with me, like personally, I’m very busy on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellyannwinget/). So I manage LinkedIn. It’s like the only social media I really manage. And so I post articles and opinions and things on there and you can message me and stuff. Awesome. 

Ben Fraser: Thanks so much for coming on the show, Kelly.

This has been a really fun conversation and I love what you’re doing.


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